So why haven't they proven viability or perceived to? And number two is, what do they have to do to prove the fact that they deserve this seat and they're contributing at the table?

I'm challenged with this.

I've been challenged with it in every role I've had.

I love your point because it's true.

Legal, IT, finance, they're at the table.

There's no question.

These are important.

What's one thing, one piece of advice you'd have for them?