Have you been involved since the beginning?

Yeah, pretty much, but not quite.

So my other co-director is Kirsty Lann, who was the founder.

And we knew each other.

We always joke because we always say we weren't friends.

We weren't enemies either.

And we both knew each other because our children...

So what about Roz then? What have you learned about Roz over the 10 years in business?