What is your view, you know, on that kind of statement?

It's a phenomenal statement.

I love it.

Doesn't surprise me.

You know, he's a fantastic both combat leader and leader at large.

I love that comment.

I mean, I do think it is without question the case.

Can you walk us through that story and its lessons on leadership?

It was like everything was fulfilling in a way that we were kind of automate we're working at our optimal best your time at the team is was there a season or chapter that you would describe as like the highest of high for you

Yeah, it's a good question.

Probably two different times, and they're interesting because they're so radically different.

My first SEAL platoon, so you either leave SEAL training, you either go to the East Coast teams back in Virginia Beach or you stay there in San Diego.

I went East Coast teams.

This was pre-9-11, and the rub was kind of like, and it's total BS, but it was like, yeah, if you want to play volleyball and surf for PT and... you know frost the tips on your hair you stay west coast and if you want to be a hairy chested frog man you go east coast i was like all right i'm going east coast total total just trash talk and no part of that was true but um but the east coast was rough in that it was colder water in the winter it was hotter in the summer It's not as great a place to live.

And so you're just kind of really just immersed the team in a way that I think the West Coast teams are a little more fragmented.

How did you kind of like navigate that first year or two coming out of the teams?