
Roopika Risam
Professor
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Aug 6, 2026
Writing Was Invented for Accounting and Scrawled on Baboon Bones
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Roopika RisamGUEST
So the Bronze Age featured something that's really interesting and unique for its time, which was a number of civilizations from the Hittites to Mycenaean Greece to Cyprus, all working in concert with each other, certainly around trade, but also these relationships, um, in which they would send their tablets to each other with their envoys, calling each other brother, and asking often for help or offering aid.

Roopika RisamGUEST
And so around the period of the Bronze Age collapse, there were a number of compounding ecological and political disasters that were making it difficult for each of these networked civilizations to sustain themselves, let alone offer aid to each other.

Roopika RisamGUEST
And so the tablets stopped coming, and- The Hittite king might write to the Egyptian Pharaoh and ask for grain, but the Egyptian Pharaoh didn't have any to give.

Roopika RisamGUEST
And so ultimately, it was the flow of information that was keeping their economies alive.

Roopika RisamGUEST
And when the information stopped flowing, they had no way to actually communicate with each other about their needs, even if they had anything to give them.
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Data has always dictated power. Who has yours?
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Saroja CoelhoHOST
Um, what was the role i- of data in categorizing and dehumanizing people in that early colonial period?

Roopika RisamGUEST
In the context of the transatlantic slave trade, people were treated as commodities.

Roopika RisamGUEST
And there's a whole host of kinds of documents, whether the record books on plantations or the ship manifests from the transatlantic slave trade, that were essentially pricing human beings, and played that role in recording people as commodities.

Roopika RisamGUEST
And what's really interesting is that this becomes a way to also protect the slave traders for the plantation owners, what they felt was their property.

Roopika RisamGUEST
And so we also saw insurance companies in England and in the US issuing policies on the enslaved people that were owned by these, um, enslavers, uh, and, and slave traders so that they would be compensated if someone self-emancipated or died during the transatlantic slave trade.

Roopika RisamGUEST
And it's this really dark moment where we see the role that data plays in helping turn people into not human beings, but items that could be bought and sold.
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Saroja CoelhoHOST
But what does that piece about community involvement or the involvement of communities affected by data governance in the questioning the creation and the control of data from here forward? Instead of being in that passive role, what would it look like for us to be more engaged and, and to take hold of that record-keeping and all of that power that you're describing available in it?
Data and Colonialism w/ Roopika Risam
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Roopika RisamGUEST
... that I didn't know how to talk about, being an immigrant to the US myself as a young child, and coming from a, a family Who's originally from Kashmir.

Roopika RisamGUEST
And so I, I was really interested because I thought, okay, there's a language for talking about why it feels like some countries have more power over each other, and how did I even get here? And so the point of entry for me was literature, but very, very quickly I started becoming interested in history.

Roopika RisamGUEST
I started becoming interested in digital culture and how we have these incredible tools for content creation available to us, whether it's to do it as individuals who want to tell our own stories or as academics who want to tell stories that haven't been told that come out of their research.

Roopika RisamGUEST
And yet I always felt like, why aren't people actually using these tools to do that important thing? And that's why I got interested in the field of digital humanities, and it was at a moment in time in the late 2010s where rather, it was in the early 2010s where the field was sort of starting to be a thing, and I thought, okay, here's actually my moment to say we have these powerful tools.
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Roopika RisamGUEST
... that they can write down, and it's been plucked out of its natural context and put down on a piece of paper, and then it can be compared with other measurements, or it could be analyzed or calculated, and then generalized.
The Hidden History of Data
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Roopika RisamGUEST
I'm a professor at Dartmouth College and the author of Data Empire, a global history of how information has shaped power from the world's first cities to artificial intelligence.

Roopika RisamGUEST
Most people think data began with computers, but in reality, data is one of humanity's oldest technologies.

Roopika RisamGUEST
Nearly 5,000 years ago, someone named Cushim carefully recorded deliveries of barley on a clay tablet in ancient Mesopotamia.
A history of power: the creation of data empires
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Ellen HallidayHOST
So in what way is data kind of key to establishing, going beyond the individual and the kind of small scale community to establishing like a civilization and these data empires that you talk about?

Roopika RisamGUEST
So one of the earliest examples of data that we find associated with the rise of civilizations are clay tokens that were used in Mesopotamia, across the Near East, even farther afield to Anatolia.

Roopika RisamGUEST
Indus Valley civilization in India as well, these small clay tokens made as counters.

Roopika RisamGUEST
And when people began settling down, leaving behind nomadic life, we see the emergence of these little material objects, and they became ways of keeping track of information and if you picture an early settlement where people have decided to give up nomadic life and can no longer simply I suppose they could but they've decided that they are no longer going to pick up and move on if there isn't enough food they need a way to see what they have and they're also beginning to live with each other and and living with people who aren't necessarily their kin.

Roopika RisamGUEST
And so these tokens came into being because people needed a way to track their obligations to each other.
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Ellen HallidayHOST
So what did this kind of shift, this computational shift in data management in the 20th century make possible? How important was that in our relationship as humans with data?
A history of power: the creation of data empires
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Ellen HallidayHOST
So in what way is data kind of key to establishing, going beyond the individual and the kind of small scale community to establishing like a civilization and these data empires that you talk about?

Roopika RisamGUEST
So one of the earliest examples of data that we find associated with the rise of civilizations are clay tokens that were used in Mesopotamia, across the Near East, even farther afield to Anatolia.

Roopika RisamGUEST
And we found them in this valley civilization in India as well, these small clay tokens made as counters.

Roopika RisamGUEST
And when people began settling down, leaving behind nomadic life, we see the emergence of these little material objects and they became ways of keeping track.

Roopika RisamGUEST
And if you picture an early settlement where people have decided to give up nomadic life and can no longer simply, I suppose they could, but they've decided that they are no longer going to pick up and move on if there isn't enough food.

Roopika RisamGUEST
And they're also beginning to live with each other and living with people who aren't necessarily their kin.
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Ellen HallidayHOST
So what did this kind of shift, this computational shift in data management in the 20th century make possible? How important was that in our relationship as humans with data?

