Yeah.

So I took that approach.

Then Mayor Schaefer of Baltimore got elected governor.

And I had established a really good relationship with him.

I had also established a really good relationship with Jim Rouse, who's the most creative man I ever met.

I asked for an appointment with the governor, and I took Doc McClellan, who'd been on my first board of aldermen, with me.

And Schaefer showed up with four secretaries and five staff people and said, look, he'd been in office six or seven months.

Wow.