Thank you.

Thanks.

And I, you know, I keep...

You know, when I was on the podcast for the magazine, I got one episode.

Brad gets two.

So not that we're competitive.

So I got a number for you.

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Here's what he had to say about that.

So I think it's a process of the will.

So it's got to be the people who will be in the room to build the future have to be in the room.

The doors are open, so they've got to come across.

So there are folks who would rather stand on the outside and yell, my voice is not heard, than come in the room and be heard.

If it works and they find the right system and stakeholders, Kitchens believes the result will be worth it, but getting the right stakeholders and the people who are engaged and who believe in the process is key.

The world is going to conspire for us if we do that correctly, and we're going to get outcomes that now everybody may not like because they may not see their universe as the center of it.

But if we can come up with agreements that population growth is critical, that to get population growth, we have to have more and better jobs.

Louis downtown, it might have not had the support at all.

Yeah, I was, I was really worried when the merger of the CBC, the convention center, with the Dome, so the Explorer with the Dome.

When that legislation went through so well and got signed so early, there was a real concern that, well, that's checked.

That's St. Louis' bill.

Now we're gonna go work on things for other people.

And I had several legislators tell me, "Well, that's St. Louis fatigue.

You're always wanting these things." And then when we started looking at it, we're like, "No, that's actually not true.

C- explain why you f- why you feel that way.