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everybody else, I read them, and I thought they were very compelling and a lot of brand new stuff that I never even heard about.

And I immediately thought, well, why isn't this all over the news? Why isn't everybody talking about this? Yeah.

And it just wasn't.

It wasn't very popular.

But I just kind of had a cursory interest.

And then it just sort of sat there in the background for me.

You can listen to this full episode of The Psychology of Your 20s on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

It was connected to the telepathy tapes, and I wanna hear a little bit about, uh, what the psi stuff you guys have been working on is.

Well, I mean, thank you for that, and I do think that that's...

I mean, it's sort of my brand and sort of my lane and sort of my thing, which sort of trickles into Contact a little bit, is that I am try- I...

But it's who I am really, genuinely as a person.

I think I am very, very open-minded to a lot of these things, yet I am extremely, not skeptical, but discerning.

That's a great word.

I appreciate that because I think that's the right word.

Can't predict the next themes, but-

Michael Shermer

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Michael Shermer.

I've interviewed him multiple times.

I love talking to him.

I wanted to have debates.

We brought in Seth Shostak a couple years ago-Awesome.

Yeah, I get it.

But how did you get involved? Are you an experiencer?

No, I've had no experiences myself.

I did have one sighting that I consider a UFO sighting.

It wasn't like a ship or craft or anything, but I saw a, basically what looked like a sun to me that traveled across the sky in, in, in like a flight path, and there was no sound.

Very weird, very unique.

Not UFO saucery, but just this basically looked like a little sun the size of an airplane that went right over our head and right by.

So I did have that, but I've never had any other sort of experience myself, but I've been researching this topic since about 2012 and, and taking a pretty deep dive on it.

Captain Ron, tell me about that and where that plays into this UFO community.

Yeah.

Well done.

Now, I will say this.

I will say, in the 15-year period that we're talking about, I have moved more towards belief that there's definitely something going on.

I've always thought there's something going on.

Now, I really feel, you know what? There's more to this than we see.

'Cause it's one of those things, you can't have a cursory knowledge of UFOs.

What's one piece of evidence or piece of information would you say that really kinda kicked you over the line?