Ron Fein
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Aug 21, 2026
S8E7: Ron Fein
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Larry LessigHOST
But I just want you to walk, walk us through, if you can remember, the hypothetical that you offered to get the court to see why the fact that the expenditures are independent does not mean that the contribution is independent or the contribution doesn't create a risk of corruption.

Ron FeinGUEST
And, and I do wanna, again, uh, credit Professor Alschuler for having originated the argument.

Ron FeinGUEST
Um, the, the basic issue is that, uh, Citizens United said that independent expenditures can't corrupt, and that is not something that we were challenging or questioning, uh, in this case, uh, nor, uh, are you in Dinner Table Action.

Ron FeinGUEST
But what that really means is when a super PAC makes independent expenditures, what that's saying is that the political professionals who run the super PAC, these are people who are by and large anonymous.

Ron FeinGUEST
You know, in the federal system, uh, they probably, you know, live in northern Virginia, um, maybe, you know, in, uh, the Maryland suburbs.

Ron FeinGUEST
Uh, they come up through the ranks of, you know, political, uh, campaigns and, and professionals.
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Larry LessigHOST
Nobody ever questions it." So how do you understand why they got it, they got it so completely wrong and why that might be a reason for the court to reconsider it today?