So tell me a little bit about how intellectual humility influences you as a lawyer.

Yeah, I love that you mentioned that because when we think of humility, we think of the stereotypical personality trait of being humble that we've been discussing so far.

But intellectual humility is a type of humility that's super powerful in my work, especially, and it has been to me.

So intellectual humility basically means the ability to see your own shortcomings and to basically accept that you're wrong.

You can be wrong.

And that's really important, especially in the litigation field, because when you think about it, every trial is each side presenting their own version of the truth.

And then the jury or the judge, whoever is the decision maker at the end decides what they believe is the actual truth.

So I'm sure that's something, you know, it's not a value that just pops up in someone's life, right? So like, who are some of the people that you most look up to and like, what have they taught you about humility?