And how then we look and say, okay, so how does that continue? It really is staying rooted in that same faith and saying that it certainly is about what we do, but it's really grounded in who we are as followers of Jesus and making sure that that's central to what we're about.

So what we do definitely follows who we are.

Yes.

Yeah.

We do this.

Right.

Because you can get the cart before the horse sometimes.

And loving God causes us to love others, and it's connected to how we love ourselves.

That's right.

Yeah, that's true.

So I was up on a roof working and I thought, man, in the roofs were getting steeper and steeper and steeper, which makes it more dangerous, harder to work on.

And I thought, you know what? I, for years, love coming to work, and I'm getting tired of it.

I'm getting tired of this aspect of my trade, and I thought I might move into something else.

Well, at the same time, I was already doing ministry in downtown Austin, street ministry.

So I got talking to my pastor, and he said, well, if you were to not be a carpenter, what would you like to do? And I said, you know, I think that I might like – I think that I would like – to go into some sort of ministry that involved working with homeless people.

So I got to remember,