Right.

These are Democrats thinking...

And, and we're spending like drunken Democrats because we think...

And, and no offense, you probably know this person well, but when you have the budget chair of the House s- quoted as saying, "I don't like large balances.

I think we need to put it to programs to help people," you got a problem.

Then the first thing it should have thought is, "We got a large balance.

Who can we give it back to?"

Yeah

What are some of the most interesting things that you've been working on over the last few months? Good

question.

I think on the CII group board the most interesting thing is the international work that we're doing.

Looking at all the various different places in which we do business and could do more business.

Holly Porter has been instrumental in driving this forward and it's really exciting.

There's a lot of opportunity both for insurance and financial planning or life as they term it.

off these shores anyway.

Yeah,

[laughs]

...

but just trying to figure out what I was doing wrong and why this wasn't working, and it led me to re- led me to ask a lot of questions, and I started to understand that the problem wasn't out there.

It was much more in my own mind than I actually thought.

And then I met Tim at a, at a industry dinner, and we were chatting about this, and, and he started to expand a lot of the, the brain science stuff, and I'm, I'm thinking, "Wow, this is actually quite deep." And I wasn't, I wasn't aware enough myself of my own limitations just as a human being.

And actually, you know, on one hand it's, it's fine having 30 years of experience, but your brain is still your brain, and it doesn't necessarily help you.

So the short answer to your question it w- it's, it's a personal experience that triggered it.

Right, right