What have you made of them, particularly around, because they're to do with vehicle safety, aren't they?

Yeah, they are.

There's a little bit of a higher level stuff there too.

But we also talk about PCBUs, which I always think is a person in control of a business unit, but it's actually a person in control of business or undertaking things.

I thought an undertaker was a terrible job, but never mind.

Yeah, so it better defines how we are to manage our own space.

And it does give certain flexibilities.

So what changes do you think farmers will see on farm with the advent of these approved codes of practice? How do you think it will alter what they need to do with their attitude towards health and safety, farm safety?

I think I know what those numbers might be.

Numbers from one to nine, and there will be a whole lot of more minor type injuries, but I've had double hip replacement four years apart.

I've had one shoulder reconstruction, the other we managed to reconstruct without surgery, but it took quite a lot of physio and time to get that right.

And I've had numerous other injuries, which would suggest that I've had a few run-ins on the health and safety spectrum.

I guess the profound thing with a lot of those injuries is they cost a lot of money.

And I'll go back to about 19, I was married, so it must have been sort of 85, 86.

We had very little money, and this was a decision based on minimizing cost.

And it's about making sure that we've got the right procedures and the right processes around them that people can make a mistake in a way that it's not going to have that that affect on their health, their wellbeing, their livelihood, and the businesses they're involved in.

What do you think, I mean, this is kind of big picture stuff, but, you know, do you think we're in a good space? You know, how do you feel about the future of, I know you're heading for the R word, but how do you feel about how things are looking?

Well, yeah, we are heading for the R word, but a son farming 41k away, 970 hectares total, so 880 effect, a bit of forestry, bit of conservation stuff, and then daughter and son-in-law at Te Pahui on, sorry, I'm going to revert to, oh, 503 hectares, I've got it now.

I was sort of at an acre's deer, sheep and beef up there, so while it's not so much my skin in the game, certainly strongly invested in brackets and what they're up to.

Look, But opportunities this year, if you look at last year, just chaos in terms of bank balance and returns.

I mean, Meg and Josh's deer operation was their saviour, but sheep and beef were pretty sick and sad.

And certainly, son and daughter-in-law's position last year got eroded a fair bit in terms of equity.

But, you know, there's some learning curves come out of that.

Conscious that time's just flying by, Roger, and you've got lots of interesting things to say, but I just thought maybe if we could finish up, you know, how are things looking in the Wairarapa in terms of the actual grass and the feed situation? Are you looking for a bit more rain or are you guys having a good season? Yeah.