Because there

was several levels in that building.

Up the stairs, the first level where the bar was, and then there was another level on the second level up.

I believe that that's where they eventually built saunas and things like that.

I don't think I remember ever seeing them or anything because I've never really ever been there.

I kept in contact with John McLean there because he operated a couple of cigarette vending machines that were in our premises down in Oxford Street in Patches.

And so occasionally I'd have to go up to...

Rod had to keep giving money to Joe Taylor, his scary landlord, for the privilege of keeping police at bay because Costello's couldn't legally sell booze and it did anyway.