... how do we move out of that when, when we are stuck?

Yeah.

I really appreciate how you're asking that question, even the language, because the, the...

As I was telling you, we have this foundational theory of resiliency, but one of the factors that we see that makes the biggest impact on what you're describing is actually the variable of hope, choosing to live hope-filled.

And I think there's this tendency, especially now at the state of the world, that it's feels a little bit scary to get our hopes up, to even imagine a way through, imagine something in a different possibility.

And when we cultivate hope practices, what we actually see is it actually shifts and changes people energetically, but also psychologically in terms of how they use their resources.

And again, helping people really cultivate practices that allow them to live hope-filled is how we get people unstuck.

Yeah.

Can you share with our listeners your passion for resiliency? You have a really interesting story that I've been studying and researching and, you know, from being institutionalized as a teenager to where

you are today.

Love to hear.

Absolutely.

Happy to share.

So yeah, you're absolutely right.

I've been studying human resiliency and performance for many decades.

Love to

Why do you think... you know, we're seeing more complex issues today than compared to, you know, when you were, when you were a child.

Yeah.

So I think there's kind of many different facets.

We would consider this an education, what we would call a wicked problem.

So there's not one origin that explains everything.

There's a whole bunch of competing variables.

I know it's very quick for people to jump on like cell phones and technology and they'd be like, oh, that's

But, you know, how do you go from from that to entering university or even dreaming of going to university? How do you get the mindset to be like, yeah, no, I'm I'm taking this school thing all the way?

Oh.

Because one of the practices I love to do is each quarter I go back and underneath I write down, like, because of this, this happened, or because that's not the end of the story.

And I often think a lot of times people quit before they reach the end of the chapter that's meant for them.

And when, often when I'm working with athletes, I'm working with organizations, or even when I'm supporting people in a coaching capacity, you know, the question is, is can you just keep going just a little bit more than you think you can, or trust the process just a wee bit deeper? That's scary.

It's risky.

It doesn't feel good.

But just could you challenge yourself just to stay in there just a wee bit longer? Because so often it's just on the other side, and I love going back and filling in some of those disappointments, filling in some of those, what at the time felt like failures or setbacks, and realizing, Jay, they're set ups for things that I didn't even imagine were possible.

Will you please just share the life vest story?

Yeah.

Absolutely.

And Jane, I could share with you just last week, I was in San Diego working with, I had an opportunity to be interviewed by Commander Mark Devine.

So he's the retired Navy SEAL, Unbeatable Mind, the author of Unbeatable Mind.

And we had a really amazing moment and I would love to share it with you and your listeners.

So I shared my car accident story because he specifically was asking about that.

So I shared it.

Like it's, we made it.