We're

generally making decisions when it's like 4.57 on a Friday and our boss said to us, you know, can you hang on a second? Or at 8.30 in the morning when you're brushing your teeth and your kids are throwing Cheerios at you and you've got a full day.

Or whatever the case may be.

I think that sometimes decision-making comes down to pressure under decision-making.

Markets are falling.

Life is falling apart.

Yes.

Where do we meet them? What do we encourage them or what advice would you have for that person?

So tell us about that.

Yeah, I think that because of that, it's why I can stand that anything is possible.

Because I think when you come from a place where your wall, like your back is flat against the wall or the ground and you don't see a way up because there is no natural progression for the way up when you're in such a dark, deep place as a child.

I feel like it creates an opportunity to either stay in that space or to create a new space around you.

So, you know, I come from, like you said, very humble beginnings and I spent many years in my formative years in welfare.

And when you live in that space and you see start to see things from a different perspective and i had two choices i was either going to continue to see things in that fashion which is that i'm always going to be the poor girl i'm always going to be the one that gets laughed at in school i mean i have this vision you know when i started my business later on and castlemark wealth management which is my wealth management business that i ran for 11 years before i was acquired i spent about 20 years in financial services managing everything from financial planning all the way up to insurance, portfolio management, to a beautiful award-winning team.

And I was acquired in 2023.

learn from each other and and there's like some sort of beautiful safety that comes from a space where people choose to be in that room they choose to purchase a ticket and are there for it because we're all there working on something right and working on ourselves so there's just a level of safety and beauty that comes from that kind of vulnerability and that kind of energy as well so i want to just kind of get you to i guess share a little bit of your perspective on personal growth and development especially because you're someone who has been very successful in investment and where to spend money and sometimes people get tripped up on this robin they get tripped up on spending money on themselves for something that is intangible so it's not like they're going and buying a pair of jeans or getting a pedicure you know people spend money on that easier because they're like well it's a treat and you know i can see i've got something and it's difficult for them to to see what they're going to get from this for their return on their investment on something like this so i really want you as the you know the the woman who has built wealth and who has created this life of of growth in both monetary and non-monetary ways to share with people You know, how do you feel or what would you say to the person who's worried about investing in themselves?

Mm.

Give yourself a minute to be human, reset your nervous system, but it's probably also one of the only times in life you'll be able to sit back and say, "Did I really like this job?"

Yeah

... and you're like, "I don't have time.

I can't do it.

I can't leave my job." Maybe this is the time for you to look at it and be like, "This is my runway.

What do I get to do now?"