But what would you say layer on top of kind of that value added, you know, experience that you're looking to build within your company that really gets you noticed or, you know, gets you prepared to become a board director?

Yeah, there's two questions in there because I do think there's a nuance to being a board member that sometimes operators can be hands to end.

So we'll cover that in a minute.

But I think to your point, what were the triggers? Again, for me, there is leaning in, but I also think as you move up in your career, You're always trying to find other venues, be it people, your personal board of directors or whatever, that can help instill in you a better you.

How do you show up differently? And for me, it was always about learning how different businesses functions.

I've worked in tech.

I've worked in biotech.

How would you advise people think about their current situation, the importance of getting on a board, but also balancing out with being selective, both on the employer side and the actual board side if the right opportunity comes along?