you got into college, though, you were able to get

into this college and I was able to travel all around the world.

And you know how we were saying when we first started how you could be vulnerable to lots of different people.

And if you could just talk to people, you could see the common humanity there.

Well, that's what I wanted to do.

And I especially wanted to live in a country that was run by black people after everything I had experienced.

My first semester, I went to the South.

I mean, that must be so fulfilling in a way for you.

Which

ultimately my father stole from them anyway.

So it was it was a shit show.

Let's just say that.

And I can remember once.

I mean, I write about this in a book.

I've written a memoir called Living with Strangers because he came in.

like for me it's therapeutic to look back and to understand and forgive like you said what's the point in walking around with like giant bags attached to you like weights of the world like pressing down on you you know but a lot of people out there don't know that it's possible to like shed all that and feel free and liberated and then get on with your fucking life because I wasn't getting on with anything I was just stuck I was stuck in a dark hole in the floor you know

I don't think it was competitive.

He was somebody who was extremely influenced by the church.

The church, yeah.

You have to realize that most of these people...

They didn't grow up Christian.

They had their own beliefs.

But the church and the missionaries really played a strong role in providing food, providing housing.

And even in terms of the kind of work that you do, when you meet kids that are in foster care, what kinds of advice can you give them as someone who's been there and someone who not only landed on two feet, but created a beautiful life? What kind of advice can you give them?