And then when you're talking to so, so many entrepreneurs or, uh, you know, entrepreneurs trying to, trying to work with you, of course, you, you look at the numbers and the, and the pure facts, but how much does the entrepreneur itself play a role when, when, when you think about, uh, okay, we're gonna work, uh, with that company? Um, is there, is there sort of a balance or is it, again, because you are still a bank, uh, mostly looking at the numbers, we can get our investment back, um, and then that's fine?

That's a really interesting part of my work because Most of my companies either don't have revenue yet or they make revenue and they still, uh, have losses.

So that means for us that we, uh, really s- really have a good look at who are the people running the companies, what's their experience, what have they done before.

And of course, you want to make a nice match also with, uh, what, which markets they are in, what's the problem they are solving.

So these aspects are more relevant for me, uh, from f- uh, from my team, uh, compared to the traditional banking, which a lot of o- other colleagues have made, which is way more backwards looking.

What we do is actually pinpoint a moment where we say, "Okay, we can see that you have your c- commercial validation.

We can see that the company's growing.

... or attracting like a large target audience?