Well, I'll let Robin go first.

Well, the population certainly had to make that decision.

Did it want to be a small city or did it want to really promote growth? And I think over the last 15 years that we have seen a very strong support for growth in our city council and our planning commission.

Our mayors have been pro-growth.

But over time, pendulums tend to swing a little bit.

And sometimes, over time, bureaucracies kind of get bogged down a bit.

And it's been a little different since post-COVID.

constant theme.