Do you think they were doing the same thing? Why wasn't it discussed more?

There was a great piece in Common Dreams, and she cited a scholar from the UK.

And the person said, we know that there's this thing called packed journalism, where they do like to standardize their media frames.

Another contributing factor is that the New York Times is the paper of record.

It's the agenda-setting paper.

We find that if something gets published in the New York Times, everybody's talking about it.

They employ 7% of the journalists in the United States.

Talk about what that means and how was it applied to Israel's campaign in Gaza and how the U.S. media chose to present it.

Do you think they were doing the same thing? Why wasn't it discussed more?

There was a great piece in Common Dreams, and she cited a scholar from the UK.

And the person said, we know that there's this thing called packed journalism where they do like to standardize their media frame.

Another contributing factor is that the New York Times is the paper of record.

It's the agenda-setting paper.

We find that if something they've published in the New York Times, everybody's talking about it.

They employ 7% of the journalists in the United States.

Talk about what that means and how was it applied to Israel's campaign in Gaza and how the U.S. media chose to present it.

Robin Andersen, walk us through your process for the complicit lens.

Right.

Well, you can see why Israel really wants to block information coming out of Gaza.

And they have since October 7th, because what we what we found, what I found when I looked at this coverage was these two different realities.

I mean, one was coming from Palestinian journalists on the ground in Gaza.

The very ones that over these almost three years is Israel has been killing Israelis.

in historic numbers, untold brutality against journalists targeted at their houses, their cars, their families.

in the complicit lens, not just what the corporate media here are and aren't showing, but just the great risks in the very process and the necessity of independent and individual journalists to get the word out about what's actually going on.

Yeah, but it's like the crime's bad enough.

Yeah, the crime's bad enough.

As Richard Sanders, who wrote did a couple of documentaries, one really detailed the recounting hour by hour of the October 7th attacks by Hamas using their head cameras, satellite footage, all kinds of things.

He says, Hamas did do bad things, as you pointed out.

They killed civilians and they took hostages.

Those things are war crimes.

You can't do that.

Yeah, yeah.

How do, How pernicious is it when we have the New York Times merged with this propaganda effort by these groups such as the ADL, integrated and friendly with the bureau chiefs and the reporters in Jerusalem for the New York Times? How do you look at the way that the New York Times has really worked so hard to obscure so well context and the history and the humanization of Palestine and Palestinians and their struggle for liberation?

Right, right.

There was a point historically where that one of the public editors actually suggested that maybe some people in the Jerusalem Bureau should move to the West Bank.

And he said they would see a really different view if they were...

And he actually said if they saw the attacks...

If they could be there and see the attacks that Palestinians are subjugated to frequently, if not on a daily basis, by the Israeli army and the occupation forces.

Of course, they never did that.

Tell us about the calculated hunting of Palestinian reporters and how their international colleagues have largely ignored it or have justified it.

Robin, I want to bring you back in on the sort of the infrastructure point, because I know you've talked a lot about maybe stablecoins and AI running into similar problems in the transforming the existing infrastructure is actually much harder than people really realize.

Yeah, look, I think there's always a natural bottleneck when it comes to payments infrastructure that, you know, it doesn't matter if it's stable coins, doesn't matter what it is.

You know, the front end, you know, the glossy demos, they're always going to be far ahead of the back end.

And the back end is always going to be far ahead of the operating model or the operating layer.

In the case of AI and stablecoins, if you even think about a use case where they're put together, right? So AI can make decisions in milliseconds.

Stablecoins can move near enough instantly.

But the problem you've got is that most of these FIs, particularly the legacy ones, they're running off extremely old ledgers that have been built decades ago.

Robin, what do

And I was hoping you could just try and get a little give a little summary of the framing of October 7th and how it was framed in Western media.

Right.

Well, for the mainstream media and for Israel, the fighting and or, you know, whatever it was, the attacks for Al-Aqsa flood, as Hamas called them, they started everything.

That was the absolute beginning.

Nothing happened before that.

It was a surprise.

It was, gosh, nobody could have predicted this.

And then you cover in your book the use of the Hannibal Directive, which I've also talked about.