But it's, it's a, it's a big difference.

It, it's...

Yeah.

It's, it's, it's certainly, it's certainly a big difference.

Um, you know, I remember one of the statistics that I was very surprised about, speaking of sixty-forty, um, was, um, Mark Trencher, who, uh, is the president of Nishmah Research, which as I'm sure you know, um, basically does all the studies on the American Orthodox community.

And as you know, I, I talk about Mark's work a lot in, in "Polarized." He is such a generous, generous colleague, um, and always there to answer my questions, of which there are usually many after a survey comes out.

But one of the things that was a little surprising to me, um, about one of his more recent surveys, I believe it was in twenty twenty-three, was that the modern Orthodox community, as opposed to the Yeshivish and more Haredi sectors of Orthodoxy, the modern Orthodox community, which accounts for 4% of all Orthodox Jews, it's a very, very small number of all Orthodox.

What is that blueprint, and why do you think it can work?

And I know this is a really, really broad question, but if you can kind of offer up the landscape of American Jewry today from both a religious perspective and a political perspective and how that is, you use the word stew really comes together.

Okay, sure.

And the term that I came up with to describe this, and again, I call it the political religious stew, right? And that term applies both to Americans generally and as well as to American Jews.

Okay, and so what do I mean by that? Well, first of all, I want to just backtrack a little bit before I explain what that political religious stew is.

And I want to emphasize, because I think this is a really significant point, that the nature of polarization has really changed dramatically, even over the past, you know, I would say...

At this point, maybe seven to eight years.

So the escalation has been dramatic.

part of the Charlie Kirk effect, you think?