Talk about that journey right there.

So I would classify it just as what you said, an experience.

Because my first two years, I spent them at Cathedral.

I had amazing teammates, amazing coaches, and Scott Hicks.

And then some of my teammates, Jeremy Trueblood, he played in the NFL, big 6'8 guy, offensive tackle.

Matthias Kiwanuka played in the NFL.

He was 6'7".

Talk about it.