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So one of the studies we did actually looked at a group of 40 scientists, and we interviewed the scientists over 30 years trying to figure out what makes a scientist more successful than some of the people who were average.

Very interesting group of 40 because it had four Nobel Prize winners, including Feynman and Pauling, and a group of people at the very bottom who, who never got tenure or just had never made it past an assistant professorship, so quite diverse.

11 members of the National Academy eventually.

So part of the interview questions were, you know, what do you do with your extra time and all that kind of stuff.

All of the people who got into the National Academy or got a No-Nobel Prize said basically, "I'm a lazy son of a bitch," which obviously was not true.

But, you know, when we dug further, what they actually meant was they would work on problems until they hit a wall, and then they would walk away from it.

Yeah.