What's, what's been the big issues you're seeing on the, on the roads out there?

Um, honestly, uh, it's, it's probably, uh, counterintuitive to what I'm doing, but one of the, uh, biggest issues I see, especially with a lot of the new drivers, is their complete reliance on navigation, uh, applications and apps.

Um, you know, you talk about being an old-school truck driver.

You have no problem picking up a, a Rand McNally map and, you know, finding where you are or where you need to be.

Uh, you ask any of these new guys, I'm not even gonna say, myself included, um, I would, uh, really have to look at that map and kinda really figure out what's going on.

Um, you know, we've kinda lost that I, I think.

Um, and the reliance on technology, while it has its use, um, you know, I...

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