Okay, why do you explore these topics in this book that's called In Trees?

Yeah, I mean, I think that that's been a blind spot of nature writing for a long time.

The realm of human messiness and human history and domination and injustice are things that we tended to kind of sweep aside so that we could look at the beautiful parts of nature.

And this is something that really came to the fore for me when I was talking to a relative of mine.

We discovered by tracing my family tree that there's an entire branch of my family tree who are black.

And this cousin of mine, Gia, we traveled through Alabama together researching our family history.

And one of the points she hammered home and I subsequently ran across in other people's writings is that for many black Americans, the experience of a forest and of trees is very different than for white people.

How do you think it could take the power of a tree to grow older in a graceful way?

Now, the two most common questions are how painful is it and how long does it

last? Both good questions.

Typically, most women don't even really feel it.

We do inject a very small amount, a little bit, of local anesthesia prior to the injection.

The collagen actually has a little bit of local anesthesia in it as well.

So most women, if they feel anything, maybe just a tiny little bee sting, if that, and then really typically no discomfort at all.

Just like the previous caller had said, that really there's no recovery from this.

And mentally, they just still can't get there?

Now, the two most common questions are, how painful is it and how long does it

last? Both good questions.

Typically, most women don't even really feel it.

We do inject a very small amount, a little bit, of local anesthesia.

prior to the injection.

The collagen actually has a little bit of local anesthesia in it as well.

So most women, if they feel anything, maybe just a tiny little bee sting, if that, and then really typically no discomfort at all.

And mentally, they just still can't get there?

So you wanted to bring people on a bit of a journey.

Yeah, so it's within the landscape, let's call it the cancer landscape in Ireland, is that you'll see within the garden, you see all these kind of dark, moody tones, which are the charred wood, the corten steel.

There's a dark wooden deck in there.

So there's a lot of elements within the garden that are very dark and moody.

But the garden is ultimately not meant to be maudlin or moody.

It's meant to be uplifting and optimistic.

That's just meant to represent how far cancer reaches into our society.

I think it's really

Mm-hmm.

So we wanted to kinda narrate that and show that, you know, these five main cancers, what people, what support services are out there, what they can do to kind of help themselves.

Even, even a, kind of a positive living can h- can, can create a positive outcome.

So we're trying to get people to kind of-Change our lifestyles a bit, get out, live healthier lives.

Um, but also to kind of show that if you look at the start of the garden, there's a footprint.

There's a single footprint embedded, and that has to do with...

That's a diagnosis.

... and it to be happening?

But you, you talk about what you learned from your team, uh, getting to the second round, and, uh, what are you looking forward to about the, this, these off-season workouts preparing for the next season?

All right, a good thing, man, I talked to DJ about this a while back, just recruiting your roster, man.

We got nine guys coming back.

We didn't lose any guys to the portal.

Uh, so I, I wanna just take my hats off to my staff, man, Carl Ivy and Stuart Mays as well, man.

They helped me keep these guys in place.

So to, to be honest with you, we hadn't done a whole lot recruiting wise.

If they s- if you still have openings, if you still have time this summer, what they need to do?

When we talk about trees and intelligence, that was something I'm like, "Okay," you know, as a scientist going, "Okay, is that, uh, true?" But do you think there is a different intelligence than humans with trees?

Yeah, I'm, this is a hot topic right now over the last 10 years, as I'm sure you've seen, you know, Michael Pollan, um, Zoe Schlanger has a book called The Light Eaters, um, Suzanne Simard, Peter Wohlleben, all these people are, are writing these, these huge be- bestselling books about plant intelligence.

And, you know, there's a lot of biologists who, who take issue with that.

Um, I take a, a certain amount of issue with it as well, but I think for a slightly different reason.

It's more of a philosophical reason.

I think, um, first of all, I think Michael Pollan makes a really good distinction between sentience and, and consciousness and intelligence, and all of these are different things.

I mean, clearly trees can sense things, you know, because we can see they, they react in various ways.

So was Pando the one that, I mean, of all the, the old growth forests that you visited around the world, is there one that it just, your jaw just was like, "Whoa," and just gave you a sense of age and time and, and, and our place in the world, and trees' places in the world? Is-