Oh, yeah

... that's, there were no resources where I came from.

And I auditioned for Disney, I don't know, 25 times, 30 times, maybe more, and, um, finally, I had worked as a character, and then I left and did some other things, cruise ships and Opryland and other places.

And I came, they were coming, Disney was coming through, um, Nashville, where I was living, and I went.

But I took all of my other Disney stuff off my resume, and it was Russ Jordan.

And-

Yeah.

But I got to a point where I was so nervous and so excited to be there, and you guys, all of you, I mean, and the ones that were before me and the ones that are coming after us on this, on this podcast, I was so, uh, y- you guys made me so nervous, and not because you didn't do anything.