But Robert, before we get going, can you give us a good explanation on what is your security journey been kind of where you started out and where that passion from threat modeling really came from? And then maybe kind of what you're working on now.

Sure.

Hey, Michael.

Yeah, thanks for inviting me to be a part of this.

Really glad to be here.

So my background is longtime software developer and architect.

In some ways, more years than I want to count.

So what do you feel that maybe some things that could be missed in these new AI tools and what we really need to concentrate on as security champions running these exercises to make sure that we're not just relying on the tool? make sure that we're not, you know, becoming too dependent and still being able to drive those insights that, you know, obviously a non-deterministic, you know, model might miss.