Yeah.

And, you know, we all got along.

We didn't know each other, but we respected each other.

That's the great thing is everybody has this incredible background and this motivating story.

Barbara does.

Damon does.

Kevin does.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, you know, we all got along.

We didn't know each other, but we respected each other.

That's the great thing is everybody has this incredible background and this motivating story.

Barbara does.

Damon does.

Kevin does.

Yeah.

I didn't know that.

When he first invited me to the hou- Well, his team invited me to the house.

It's in LA, in an area of LA.

I drove around for 15 minutes because I couldn't believe it was his house.

Like, it-- I'm like, "He can't possibly live there.

It's such a crappy house." Sorry, Charlie.

And it is.

Mm.

Okay.

You know, the basis of law at a lawyer-- So if you think of a typical law firm, you've got clerks, you've got research analysts, and then you've got the lawyers up top.

Everything up to the actual litigator, the relationship component, is gonna get outsourced by AI.

Mm-hmm.

And you learn life is not about grand gestures.

Life is about consistency.

It's about all the stuff that people don't see.

You know? It's like one day you wake up and you sell a business for 500 million or 10 million, whatever it is, and people think, "Wow."

When, when, when did you discover the why?

Oh man, that's such a, that's such a great point, and I think that's such an individual thing for everybody, and I think I was very fortunate to figure that out really early, 'cause I think a lot of people don't.

They kinda drift along, and fear can be all-consuming.

Everybody in this room is gonna wake up one day and have a crappy day and question, "Why am I doing this? Why is this so hard? [laughs] Why, why isn't it easy for me?" So for me, I started my first business and, you know, man, I'm working, like, 18 hours a day.

I'm not making enough money in my business to support myself, so I'm working 9:00 to 5:00 at the business.

I'm waking up at 5:00 in the morning to read about cybersecurity 'cause I'm not an engineer and I'm competing with engineers.

And then from 8:00 at night to 1:00 in the morning, I'm working as a waiter to make enough cash to pay my rent, and I'm doing this every day.

[laughs]

... yourselves kinda still in that at some times?

Very, very true.

You know, there's an, what's the saying? You are the net result of five people you hang out with, and I think it's really true.

I think that you are...

It's very, very, very rare and hard to raise yourself up on your own.

I think if your environment, your parents, your friends are constantly pulling you back, it's, it's hard to keep going.

Like, you think, I think back and I think, none of my friends I grew up with ever made it, and it would've been so easy to stay there.

Mm-hmm.