give one example of that, also an Intel example.

So when Andy Grove, which is not one of the three, but when Andy Grove, as a result, I think, of talking to Steve Jobs in the early 90s, came to the conclusion that video conferencing on the PC would be a very big turn.

This was around 1993.

Right.

Way before we did this.

But he, therefore, he was so strongly believing that this was going to be the future that he took Pat Gelsinger, who was shortly a CEO a few years ago.

who was the leading person on the processor development, a technical guy, brilliant technologist.

Nike was