We had to get there.

And we needed a van.

Didn't have much money, so it wasn't gonna be a very good van.

But we also needed room to haul what little gear we had around.

Well, we weren't gonna be able to borrow Ray's truck anymore.

We used to borrow Rob's stepdad's pickup truck and put our equipment in the back and drive around and do gigs.

So we couldn't do that.

We had our Dodge Tradesman van with the school bus conversion and everything, all our, all our gear, all our suitcases, you know, it was in there, and the six of us, and that's what we did.