But what resistance have you experienced in your role as a consultant with organizations that you've been working with?

Well, I think just in general, people do end up with a bit of a stereotype in their mind of what it takes to succeed in a certain role.

And this is how you end up with companies that are full of lookalikes, basically, or little me's, as it were, that managers recruit little me's.

And I think that's the first thing that you've got to kind of work on is...

Breaking down that stereotype of what it takes to be successful.

Also, I think this whole myth around the ideal worker.

We want someone that is prepared to start early, finish late, work at weekends, all of that kind of stuff.

Well, I've had plenty of them to start

So male allyship, how the heck did you get into this line of work? How does one become a male allyship expert?

Oh, good Lord.

It's a long story.

But I think to be quite honest, it starts with women, right? Because when I was at university, I worked with really super smart women around me.

And then when I got into the workplace, I realized that they weren't progressing as far or as fast as the men around them.

And I was kind of thinking at one point, You know, where are all the really super smart women in leadership, et cetera.

And so in the company that I was in at the time, there was a lady trying to start a women's network.

So there's these forces and this like, you know, historical point that we're in right now that I just wonder if it's somewhat of an inflection point that we need to kind of get these feelings out in the open to process it, to move forward collectively better.