What was that like? Did it take you a long time to even get to a p- to become a pilot, and then now you're fighting in this war? Tell us what, what that whole path was about.

Sure.

So the path to become a, uh, jet pilot in the Marine Corps, I started, let's see.

I graduated from the Naval Academy in 1998, and I got to my first fleet squadron, F-18 squadron, in 2003.

So that was about five years.

So part of that was waiting in between, um, different parts of training, so it was probably close to three and a half to four years of training just to get to the fleet to where you're able to fly an F-18.

And that just makes you a basic wingman.

But yet still we aren't getting it.