League 2, League

1 would be the Championship and Premier League and started very young and as you say managed to come out a number of games and it was almost like I kind of went the other way where I kind of said you know what come what may this was the best job in the world and there's times I've been losing 4-0 but you know what I kind of found some way to find some enjoyment out of losing 4-0 because it was just the thing that I'd always wanted to be and always wanted to do and having got there I wasn't going to let like that shine ever go.

You move to the Premier League, you stop playing at that level, you're being tested even more, but there's nothing better than going to Old Trafford, than going to Anfield, which was hybrid at the time, but the Emirates now and Stamford Bridge.

The bigger the game, the more the anticipation, the more the sort of enjoyment.

And, you know, what I used to love, there was something in my head that always used to stick with me as a player.

What I used to love was always thinking that my teammates and even more individually myself, I can change.

I can affect what's going to happen today.

Yeah.