Mm.

'Cause they're all subject to secrecy.

And I remember one person being arrested, a 18-year-old Bosnian boy called Harun Kozovic.

When they raided Harun's house, coincidentally, the night before, his nine-year-old brother said, "Let's swap bedrooms," and, um, they did, and the following morning when the police raided their house, the AFP, dressed in their black uniform and not identifying themselves, burst their way into the house with their guns pointed at what they thought was Harun Kozovic, uh, who was lying in, in bed.

In fact, it was the nine-year-old brother who's been completely traumatized by it all.

Exactly.

So, um, yeah, I wanna see myself out of a job, but just one quick thing on that, on the funding aspect.

At a program that I've been involved in in Sunshine called the PARTY Program, what the court did was identify those young men aged between 18 and 21 who had bad driving records.

Were there ever any cases which were so horrendous, you mentioned sexual abuse, rape leading to murder, all the worst things you can think of, which made you think, I don't think I can do this case?

There were plenty of cases that were challenging.

And, you know, I'd had...

Number of children at that stage, we've got six children myself now.

I never have liked doing child sex offence cases.

I'd been to a Christian brother's school where some of the brothers had been in trouble.

I'd seen how they'd preyed on, you know, mostly vulnerable kids.

Who were your clients in the area? And is it reasonable for us or was it reasonable for us as a community to feel vulnerable and possibly open to an attack, a terrorist attack?