I would love to love it

...

I don't want them to have a bad show, but I'm with you.

I was never the biggest Katie fan.

I think she became a lot better once she kicked Schwartz to the curb.

That doesn't make up for anything, but all of these people are bad in one way or another, and that's...

And sorry to keep bringing it back, but that's also part of the book.

So the book, we're all, people need to pre-order it.

Mm-hmm.

I don't think that that means that she has necessarily...

Like, I think she recognizes what she did was wrong.

Don't do- Like, don't, don't get it twisted.

I think she knows, but I think she's having a trouble...

H- I, I don't quite think she has fully made it over the hump, right? Like, I think it's more important to her to look good publicly than it is to actually learn from the mistakes, and this is all theorizing.

This is all me just from what I've gathered.

Mm-hmm

I, I mean, am I wrong in thinking this is just never coming back? Why would we take a year off to bring everybody back? I don't get it.

Yeah.

I think that there's some weirdness going on, but it also feels like why not announce that Vanderpump Rules is not coming back, you know? And I think it's because they at least spent the time to record this thing in June for the hotel that they're hedging their bets.

Maybe they don't want to put their foot down on something.

If something else happens, maybe they're realizing casting is a situation.

But Audrey, Venus, Natalie, Angelica, Marcus, Kim, all still working at SUR and posting about it.

And some of those people, like Angelica and Audrey, were definitely cast for the show, right? So why would they be going to work and posting all about it if they...

But there's a lot of other things, like-

He hustles.

And he's hustling.

Um, I asked Kate if she wanted to work on a project with me because at the end of the day then I thought it was gonna be something Vanderpump Rules related to tie it to the podcast, and we came up with this idea of an oral history of Vanderpump Rules.

We put together a proposal.

Once again, no one really wanted to get in on it except for the same publisher.

So I'm like, "Hey, these people like what we have to say." But the other places were like, "We would do something with you if you can guarantee that cast members will talk to you."

I never questioned it, but that is a little convenient.

And I just think that there's something to be said about finding a moment to break up with someone.

So that is because

my friend and co-host, Kate Shapiro, had joined the show.

And Kate is...

One of the funniest and smartest people I've ever talked about reality TV with.

No offense.

I'm not judging any of my other friends who do podcasts.

It's just we sync in a way that feels good, whereas...

That