[laughs]

But back then it was like, "Oh my God, someone who can do both of these things." Um, so it's, it was sort of a case of right place, right time.

And then it all sort of snowballed from there.

But, like, for now, in terms of advice for someone trying to break into the industry, it- it's such a different place to when I was trying to break into it.

Games media specifically.

Um, so if you're trying to break into it now, I think lots of people have got the tools to make their own content.

Um, and so I always say to people, "If you're trying to get a job in the games media, show what you can do, don't t- tell people what you can do.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.