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Rob Orman

Oct 4, 2026

19:50
Do you rent or own your career
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that you name in the book? I wish that I could say that I made that up, that Jamie Hope made that up.
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And thanks, Jamie, for letting me put that in the book.
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And that framing, that changed my life when she told me that.
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Renting or own, do you rent or own your career? We're not even talking at a systems level.
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We're talking an individual systems level, your own operating system.
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The job itself, seeing patients, doing your EMR, showing up, going home, doing nights, that actually isn't fundamentally changing, but how you approach it is.

11 MINS LATER

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Yeah.
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What's that?
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So that, I'd love to claim that I made that up, but that was from a doc I interviewed a long time ago named Jamie Hope.
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And we were talking about how she had navigated burnout.
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And she said, you know, I used to feel like I rented my job.
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I didn't know that that was the name of it, But I shifted my mindset to be an owner because when you rent something, it's funny, she asked me, she said, okay, when you rent something, do you take care of it? And immediately what popped into my mind was a rental car.
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And I thought, oh, I take care of that like it was super precious.
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It's like, besides that, besides that.

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How do I get there? I love that approach.
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and I don't really even want to be there anyway.
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That's funny.
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Telling the story, I can even feel the stress.
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I'm just going to be late.
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And then from deep within the depths comes this primordial scream of, I'm gripping the steering wheel.
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And then I felt this.
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in my vocal cord.

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What is that and how do you actually stay out of it when someone's yelling at you in mid-crisis?
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Keep it under
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five minutes.
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All right.
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So I'm just going to read and we'll see what comes of it.
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You have no obligation for someone else's story to become your own.
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I saw this play out one late night in the ED when I consulted a gynecologist to see a young woman with a pelvic mass and a belly full of blood.
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She needed to go to the operating room as soon as possible.

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is good.
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I'm sorry.
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I think about this a lot because, you know, you and I both put on podcasts and rarely will you listen to a podcast a hundred times, but you will listen to a song.
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a hundred times, or you will read a favorite poem a hundred times.
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And it just activates a different part of your brain.
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I don't even know what part of the brain it is, but you feel that sense of connection, maybe even a little dopamine release.
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And yeah, the pit was interesting.
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I'm not a continued technical advisor on it.

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How did you end up in coaching?

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