They may be controversial, but I want to hear them.

For sure.

And I wish we could be meeting under different circumstances in the middle of a Canadian summer.

We should all be out there doing great things with our tourism industry, right? But here we are again, as you just said.

So the crux of the matter comes down to, quote unquote, unpaid time for ground functions, whether there's a the time to prepare an aircraft for departure, ground delays, whatever it might be.

And WestJet's flight attendants, organized under CUPE, maintained they put in, on average, about 35 hours of unpaid work per month.

You have to go back to about 2000, the negotiation of the last contract around 2021.

Um, how, how do we, how do we square that with the fact that they are struggling financially?