What will they be trying to do to break the hoodoo at Eden Park?

Yeah, well, I guess, you know, to be honest, my time when we were playing the All Blacks is a little bit different to the current crop of players now because, you know, not there's an expectation, but they know that we've beaten the All Blacks before, and we've beaten you guys away from home, things that have surpassed all the teams that have gone beforehand.

But I guess when I was still there, there, there was a huge element of fear to the week because you know if you didn't turn up, um, you could get pumped out the gate by 60 points nil, as happened one of the games I was on.

Um, but you also, you know, that, that sort of fear and anxiety gets your senses going and can help you big time, too.

But I think the biggest thing is you, you can't go in your shell.

You've got to attack the All Blacks.

You know you're gonna have to score lots of tries if you want to win the game, and I su- I guess it sort of loosens the shackles a little bit, as we saw with the French a few weeks ago.

Any advice you would share with some young athletes out there that we could probably podcast for, for our listeners?

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Uh, and Pollock.

Listen, I think th- this rubbish and the shush is going to ...

Well, it has, not cost him, but put him front page of all the media for what he's done.

He had two unbelievable interventions before that.

So I think if you remember on the 80 minute, Chessum took a great restart.

Uh, Van Poortvliet box kicked it up.

Bit of game management as well.

Like a duck.

I remember one drill that I would have ran for a few hundred meters every single day.

And it was with a 25 kilo barbell on my back.

And 50 meter sprints as quick as I could go.

Now the 25 kilo is going to obviously slow you down significantly, but you have to drive so much force through your feet going down as opposed to in any way out a little bit.

So the force contact is directly on the ground.

And, you know, you work on a lot of strength to get stronger in specific areas, hip control, which then allows you to do all of that a little bit better.

You're a Prendergast guy, I feel.