What are your thoughts about the afterlife?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I think the best way that I can sum it up is that as a Christian, so there is part of faith that is a risk and you believe because, you know, you can't prove anything.

It is just you've chosen to believe something.

You've chosen to believe something.

And that's very much it.

But

So what was your faith journey growing up and when did faith become more important to you?

Um, I think, um, I think meeting these Christians when I was on the streets, obviously soda seed and planted something, um, for about 10 years, it was all about the acceptance.

It was all about, I was part of something and, you know, I'd, absolutely did experience the love of god experience i don't know the holy spirit and all of that bit by bit um but i think i think the most the profound moment was a couple of days after 9 11. because i i had gone to coventry cathedral which is i live in coventry as i said and and coventry um coventry was almost destroyed in the war in the blitz um and there's a the old cathedral there it's just the ruins so all you've got is the walls around the side and you've got the tower um but it's become a center of reconciliation The whole story of Coventry Cathedral is incredible.

The guy, the provost at the time was a guy called, it was the Reverend Dick Howard.

And he was, you know, immediate, well, in the days that followed the blitz, He just talked constantly about forgiveness and reconciliation.

And the words Father forgive were inscribed on the cathedral wall.

I went down to the cathedral, saw that.

But how long did that take as a journey when you could actually think about it without the anger winning? Or did it not?