Pick up the story from there, man.

Yeah, so I think I did the thing that I wanted to do.

When I was nine years old, I said, hey, I want to go play divisional college basketball.

I want to go do the thing.

And then when I got to, you know, yeah, told I wasn't going to play high school, hired a trainer, worked through it.

whatever people's opinions of you are, be end all, be all.

Got to start, got to play at Vandy.

what do you do? And I was like,

So yeah, tell me about your experience of, like, your introduction to Dartmoor, and I think you did the tent

tools and the DAV.

I did do tent tools and DAV, but before that I started off as an army cadet.

So at 12 I joined my local army cadet force, which was based in my school, but I wasn't actually allowed to be in uniform until I was 13, so I had to spend a fair bit of time just sort of in civilians, as it was called.

And I absolutely loved the cadets.

It kind of completely shaped me as a person, as a teenager.

It gave me really good structure and discipline, and I learned so many skills and made so many friends.

what is it that you love about teaching navigation why was that the kind of thing that you decided to focus on

So you're one of the very few people on the planet who's actually quite connected with nature and also connected with finance.

Yeah, no, you're right.

People don't really understand that to solve the problem downstream, whether the railway's flooding or where people's home, you have to go upstream.

I mean, it's not dissimilar from people's health, which is you can take vitamins or stuff, but typically if we want to fix our health, it's pretty easy.

You need to sleep well, you need to drink water, you need to exercise, you need to reach...

Align with nature.

Align with nature.

Tell me, what would that young kid see when he looks at what you're doing today?