Yeah.

Certainly.

And, and then our smallest shi- shire, which is not on, uh, how large the shire is, would be West Wimmera, I think, out in the west.

So very, very large shire.

Huge road network, but very small rate base and, and very small budget.

So, um, but all, all those councils want the same thing.

They, they want to have good economies.

Do you feel like you get heard on these issues from a, from a rural perspective? Do, do you have the ear of the decision-makers, or is that an ongoing battle?

How do you bring that to everybody in those different ways?

Yeah, I mean, it's a good question and it's sort of fundamental knowledge.

really to the future of the society, you know, making sure we're here for the next 100 years.

And in terms of sort of short term approaches we've taken, just this last week, we've launched a new garden visit scheme, which is designed to help AGS members show off their gardens to the public, but through small private visits, rather than sort of the larger NGS type open days to create those opportunities for people to meet our members and to talk to them because as you say that's how people really learn it's talking to people with this prior experience and also when it comes to written information thinking about well how do we present that information so next year something we're going to launch is something called let's grow which is where we're going to invite our expert growers to write down their sort of tips and tricks for growing particular plants, whether it's in the greenhouse or in the garden.

And we'll present this through our social media, through our website, rather than in a sort of textbook format, because that's how certainly the younger generations want to access information.

And that's sort of another sort of shift we're trying to affect in the society, which for some members is quite, not quite, challenging isn't quite the right word, but it's quite confronting because it's new to them.

So in the board just recently, we've had a proposal for a new, to fund a new monograph from one of our quite elderly members, a world renowned expert in the genus that was the topic of the monograph.

So have you looked at how to hook into that emergent enthusiasm to then connect to maybe kind of more traditional kind of thoughts and ways in terms of how do we meld the two, I suppose, is the question.

Rob is next to you, and we've heard Rob's report on the film, so if we can have your quick reflections, Rob, on what you've just heard, doing this event here as a local person who, who's seen one, who's interested.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's fascinating to listen to everybody's different accounts of seeing them.

It's very clear that we've got a lot of experience in the room, a lot of people that are, uh, are used to being in a country setting, are used to going out looking at wildlife, 'cause it doesn't always present itself to you particularly well.

Also, if you're used to watching wildlife, if you go specifically looking for a target species, you very rarely see it.

So just hearing all these different accounts of people, they haven't gone looking for it, that's kinda makes me feel a bit relieved in a way because these animals, they are out there.

They've already been failed by...

In my opinion, they've already been failed by man once by being released, perhaps in the '70s, et cetera.

Yeah.