how does someone do that, right? How does someone successfully be a valuable asset to multiple musical directors, award shows, being able to play a ton of genres? What's the process like for someone like yourself of getting to this moment? So

I used to study, I mean, I still do, but I used to study like, concert DVDs back when they had DVDs Damn it.

I just aged myself But uh, I used to study like concert DVDs and I used to look at the credits and I used to see like, you know Who's playing this and you know who arranged this and who did this and who did that or whatever? and I So, you know, I always knew to a degree like who was doing what.

And so when I moved to LA and I found out, you know, about these different spots and these different, you know, jam sessions or even just, you know, get togethers or whatever, I would try to just, you know, be there.

And, you know, then you meet people and network with those people or whatever.

And And this music industry, it's smaller than you think.

But you start meeting people that know other people, that know other people.

But then that MD is like, hey, man, can we try this? What's next for you? On the spot?