I'm curious to know more about this, how you see public art and how it can be more than a literal object.

Definitely.

I think in my own experience making public art exhibitions, I'm thinking about the work that I did for the Counterpublic Exhibition in St. Louis in 2023 when I was one of a team of curators.

I had a project of how do you make an exhibition that is nearly invisible and And that was very much in response to the city of St. Louis and thinking about so many histories that have been literally erased by the removal of ground that was used to build the railroads and set the course for Manifest Destiny going west.

And to think about how not to participate in that erasure, but instead to think about the material or immaterial languages of erasure differently and ask us to sort of think sideways or against the grain of looking and have an embodied experience.

So I had artworks in that exhibition that kind of flickered in and out of view as augmented reality or projections that only came up at night.

I'm definitely with my team thinking about all the many different kinds of possibilities for what art can be.

I've read already that you're going to people on the ground who know, people who've been working in the public art space, people who've been working in museums.