Okay.

And from there, that's when it all kind of started to blossom.

So from that meet, I was invited to go to the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs.

And so I spent that summer there training, which was probably one of the best experiences of my life.

We got to train in a flume, right? So this is 30 years ago.

Now people have these in their backyard.

But 30 years ago, um, we got to go in a flume at the Olympic training sweat center.

Um, and also in wanting to do something totally different, wanting something different at outcome, like work when no one's watching, like, like, how do you, where does it come from?