So what does this mean for EHR to EDC integration, which is another hot topic in itself, which we've been talking about seemingly forever and needed changes to speed up the adoption rates of the electronic systems?

Sure.

So you touched upon a couple of really important things there.

I mean, one is there is a very clear and powerful trend in the direction of sites adopting electronic systems.

Yes, there still are a lot of sites out there using paper either as their primary tool for collecting data, or in some cases, it's more of a hybrid between electronic systems and paper.

And The Tufts research showed just how complex the world is in terms of the different mixes of paper and technology that are being used.

But the trend is very much in the direction of technology and not just with your major hospitals and your major site networks, but Standalone, as you mentioned earlier, Dina, standalone research sites are becoming much more sophisticated.

So, Rick, if the industry does nothing to make any changes, what do you think we're leaving on the table? Whether it's time, money, enrollment, or site experience, what is really at stake here?

But how did the podcast start? When did it start? And where can fans listen to you?

We just started our third season, so two years ago.

I just saw that there was a gap.

There wasn't an official podcast running at the time.

Obviously, it started up again since.

But I just thought there was an opening for it.

So along with, I kind of put it out to a lot of the heads of media from other clubs in the NPL, if anyone wanted to do a podcast with me.

And they finished in 2014.