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Rick Spence

Rick Spence

Richard "Rick" B. Spence, Professor Emeritus of History at the University of Idaho and historian of espionage, secret societies, and the occult; host of the Strange As It Seems podcast.

Sep 28, 2026

2:31
I feel like I know a little bit, but I know that I'm probably wrong because I thought the Black Israelites and the Beta Israelites were the same thing, which they are not, which I learned when I had... a black israelite on my show a captain of of a school which is what what they call their institutions um and learn the difference uh and then i was like well maybe it's a little bit like rastafarianism but you in fact talk talk to us about rastafarianism and and it certainly isn't and i guess the only uh thing in common between rastafarianism and the beta israelites is that it's from ethiopia
3:10
of sorts we're centered in ethiopia Well, the Beta Israelites, to the best of my knowledge, and I don't claim any...
3:21
I've never made a great study of them, are sometimes simply referred to as Ethiopian Jews.
3:27
And they are.
3:27
They are a self-proclaimed Jewish community in Ethiopia, which has been there for millennia.
3:35
They basically claim to be the descendants, I think, of King... solomon and the queen of sheba yes all right and that they then but they they have constituted a and it's not like alpha beta beta is sort of the place it's a toponym that they're connected to um so they're not like the you know beta test version of the israelites um they've claimed a number of things um they're they're sometimes uh I believe that they were the ones who got possession of the Ark of the Covenant, and that's how it supposedly is stashed away in a church in Ethiopia.
4:19
And historically, Ethiopia, Abyssinia, the highland areas in East Africa, it's a complicated area, was Christian from a very early era.

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42:09
it was just the end of the Silk Road, right? I mean, was it just like a placeholder for a different word for like Shangri-La maybe? Well,
10:05
On one
10:06
side of my family, we're all Freemasons and Eastern Star and Elks.
10:11
I remember my grandmother once pointing up at the sign of the Elks Club.
10:17
It says BPOE, which stands for Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks.
10:22
But she goes, you know what that really stands for? And I go, I don't know, Grandma.
10:26
She goes, best people on earth.
10:29
So that was a joke.
10:44
He was one of the first to analyse the mechanisms of secret societies, and he saw them not just as power-hungry, conspiratorial groups, but as tightly-knit circles that provide members with a sense of belonging, exclusivity and identity.

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