Well, talk about how working with the Army Corps of Engineer a- as a lieutenant shaped the engineer and leader that you have become today.

The two themes that I like to drive home, um, when I talk to, to groups is, the first one I, I call getting out of your comfort zone, and the second one is working with teams.

So you couldn't have asked for a better, um, opportunity for a young 20...

You know, I was 22, 23 year old, right out of college, uh, virtually no experience.

And going to...

Well, teaching, of course, was a, was not, you know, a, a, an enormous out of your comfort zone experience.

But I knew I did not know how to teach, and the Army taught me how to teach, and it was, it was an invaluable lesson.

So tell us what, uh, experience was the most challenging, and what did it teach you that you still use today?