Isn't the key to be assertive and principled? It seems like this guy's a mess.

Well, I think you just said it.

You have to be principled.

And what's sad here is, you know, of course, the awkward interview is great for television.

It's entertaining.

But the answers underneath it are the real story.

Now, what did he pause on? He paused on whether or not he would take corporate money.

I mean, what do you make of this, Rick? There is clearly a case, I think, for a breach here of the rules.