What, what, how did that come about with you, you and Peter Dean? So is, is it 10 years old this May?

It is, actually.

Yeah, yeah, it's really good timing.

Yeah, it's, um...

Yeah, well, I mean, joking apart, I mean, it was literally, I was editor of Harper's.

Um, I don't wanna necessarily go into the ins and outs of all that, but it was y- it was a bit messy at the end.

Um, but yeah, so I ended up losing my job there.

Okay.